In 1963, in Birmingham, as soon as we got there, I said to Dr. King, “I want to go meet with some of the business leaders.” He said, “How are you going to do that?” And it turned out that while at this conference that I’d been to in Camp Mack, one of the people there was from the Episcopal Church in Alabama. She was the diocesan youth director. So I called her and asked her would she set up a meeting between Dr. King and the bishop. And she said, “Well, I don’t know Dr. King, but I know you. And if you will come and see the bishop, you can then set up the meeting between Dr. King and the bishop.” And Bishop Murray then was new, but he agreed with me that the Episcopal Church House would be a good place to have negotiations between the business and the Civil Rights Movement. So all of this was what led up to the March on Washington. Birmingham was — desegregation day was May the 5th. Students whom we had trained just walked out of schools and walked downtown. We’d had a boycott on, not buying anything but food or medicines for 90 days. I think almost 5,000 high school students marched downtown and were arrested. There were so many of them they put them in the stadium where they have the Iron Bowl.