So we decided to take on the case, and there was a company called Lifecodes that had just begun DNA testing. It wasn’t in the courtrooms, and it was one of the two or three commercial companies that first tried to transfer this technology from medical and research purposes to the forensic arena. Dr. Shaler had gone to work for Lifecodes, so we said, “Bob, let’s get Lifecodes to do DNA testing on this case, because maybe this will prove that Coakley is innocent.” And they tried it, but they claimed that they didn’t get enough high molecular white DNA to get a result, and then we went out and did quite a number of things to prove Marion innocent the old-fashioned way. We found a palm print on the rear view mirror of the car that the perpetrator had abandoned, and they had taken, and we showed that it wasn’t Marion’s, and that analysis had never been done. We found exculpatory evidence that hadn’t been turned over.  And we literally had Marion Coakley ejaculate at different times in Attica Prison — which we found very disturbing, it was hard for him to do — to prove that he wasn’t a low level secretor.  So we proved him innocent anyhow, but we saw immediately that this DNA testing would be transformative for the criminal justice system.  So we held a forum at Cardozo Law School with a number of people that were at the very early stages of using forensic DNA testing. I think it was the first such program that we’d had in a law school and became very interested in the topic.  And then Governor Cuomo, Mario Cuomo, appointed Peter and I to a commission to look at the transfer of DNA technology to forensic purposes. And we became involved with some people at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, this fellow Jan Witkowksi, who then in turn introduced us to a number of scientists at Cold Spring Harbor seminars. And that is really how we got our start in dealing with DNA evidence in the criminal justice system.