That there was two mentalities and both mentalities had to change. There was what I called the Afrikaner mind set of the Unionist politicians, which was holding all power in their own hands, and discriminating, and their objective was to protect their identity. We agreed that they had every right to protect their identity, but that their methodology should change because when you have widespread discrimination against a community, as we had in Northern Ireland, in the end, it’s bound to lead to conflict. And, our challenge to the change of the Unionist mind set was that — given their objective of protecting their identity, which we have no quarrel with — that given their geography and their numbers, the problem couldn’t be solved without them. Therefore, they should come to the table and reach an agreement that would protect their identity. Then in my own community, of course, what is called the Nationalist community, there was a mind set — not a majority mind set, but one that, Ireland is — based on violence, and of course, that mind set I described as a territorial mind set: “Ireland is our land and you Unionists, Protestants, are a minority. Therefore, you can’t stop us uniting.” Our challenge to that mind set, my challenge to that mind set, was that it is people that have rights, not territory. Without people, even Ireland is only a jungle, and when people are divided, victories are not solutions.