Norman Borlaug: At that time the criticism of Pakistan and India, especially, they said, “With this amount of people, there’s no hope. They’ve got to die off to a fraction of the population of today.” And I had seen enough on these tests that my trainees had run in many countries. Do not accept that. But there’s behind the scene, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Ford Foundation, both of them together had decided that the breakthrough in production should come in India. The need was the greatest and it was to be built on not wheat, but on sorghum and millet and cassava. But then the Mexican wheats got into the picture and screwed all of that up.