I was actually interested in gadgets, little electronic gadgets. Whether it was calculators — actually I remember early on going out shopping for a calculator — and this was when calculators were like $100, you know, I mean — and with my dad, I think. And so I was always fascinated by these little gadgets and I always managed to break them for one reason or another, of course, as kids do, and then I would take them apart and try to fix them, which I was never able to.