Lionel Hampton’s band came through Seattle then too. That was a very significant thing in my life because as I said before we played with Bumps Blackwell’s band and Charlie Taylor’s band for Billie Holiday, and then Billy Eckstine, at 14 and 15 years old. So, Hamp came through there then, and that was my dream to be with that band, more than any band because I saw every band that came through: Stan Kenton, Basie, Duke, Louis Armstrong, everybody. I was out in front hypnotized every night. I just couldn’t believe it, that there is the way to be a man, to have your dignity, to be proud of what you do. And there were 18 musicians — there was something about that kind of unity, too — that were really playing good, and made military bands look like military bands, or the white traveling bands, you know. But, there was something about it that just really hit a serious chord in me, and I wanted to know everything about it. That’s why I wanted to write so quick. As soon as I picked up the trumpet I heard arrangements in my head of those ensembles. How do you write for 18 musicians, or eight brass and five saxes, and not have them playing the same notes?