I got started around 14. I worked in a shoe factory at 14. I had to get a working permit to work there. My brother Mike worked there too, and I used to go into work with him at 14. And then, I got a chance to play American Legion ball. I kind of skipped work a little bit, and I started to play.  At 15 and 16, I played American Legion ball. And, I said, “I’m going to play in the big leagues one of these days.”