Billie Jean King: Well, Kathy decided she wasn’t going to go to Wimbledon, or if she did go, she’d only play in the juniors. The first year I went to Wimbledon, they didn’t allow us to play both the juniors and the adults. And this is where Perry T. Jones really helped me. He calls me into his office. Now, I think I’m in trouble automatically. And he goes, “Wimbledon has just changed the rules. You cannot play both the juniors and the adults.” I said, “I can’t?” Because I had planned on doing that. He said, “No.” I said, “What do you think I should do?” And he said, “You should play in the adults.” That is the greatest thing Perry T. Jones ever did for me. Besides— I mean, he didn’t do— he was, he was rough on everybody, especially the girls. I think we got $14 a day or something. We stayed in a— Karen and I stayed in a one room, six pounds a week. Uh, you got to remember this is 1961. The way people see it today, it was just so different for us. We didn’t have coaching. We didn’t have anything. We helped each other. Uh, we had no money. Uh, Karen and I had $3 when we came home at the end of Wimbledon, and we won Wimbledon that year. But the USTA, the USTA would come to you and give you an envelope of cash to get you through the two weeks, and that’s how you made it.